Gone for Gouda is the second book in The Cheese Shop Mysteries. I happened upon this book when I found the first. I find the idea funny because I was looking for a new cozy mystery since what I usually read is so heavy. Also, my mom likes them, and I like to find books we can enjoy together and chat about. I found Cheddar Off Dead and thought it was such a clever name I needed to get it immediately. That led me to another cheese mystery series because someone gave it such high reviews saying they had found this book due to another cheese mystery they were reading. That just cracked me up. So, Cheddar Off Dead was purchased. When the second book, Gone for Gouda came out on Netgalley I rushed in to pick it up.

In Gone for Gouda we meet again cheesemonger, Willa Baur, with her gourmet cheese shop, The Curds and Whey. She loves to help people experience cheese and create an atmosphere where people learn more about their choices. When a vegan influencer, Phoebe, comes to town Willa is determined to make a vegan cheese that will delight Phoebe. We know our girl Willa is up for the challenge and can do the trick, until it is discovered that Phoebe is a fraud. And then, even worse, dead.

We meet the two men vying for Willa’s affections and watch her as she works to solve the crime, and prove Archie, the main suspect, is not the guilty party.

I really loved this book so much and it was a great cozy read. This was a great addition to my cozy reads and is full of more twists and turns than you would expect! I kept me guessing until the end. I highly recommend this book, but I do think it helps if you have read the first one beforehand. Do not have to but would help.

“…I have to be honest about how I feel.” He stepped closer to me,
his dark eyes never leaving mine.

I felt my heart pick up speed. I caught a hint of his rich cologne. I inhaled, trying to
breathe in more of the intoxicating undertones of citrus and wood. “Go on.”
It came out in barely more than a whisper.

He hesitated a moment more, then finally spoke. “Don’t do anything stupid.”

Wait, what?
Korina Moss, Gone For Gouda, Loc. 2390

Things are going from gouda to bad to ugly for cheesemonger Willa Bauer in Gone for Gouda.

Yarrow Glen’s newest cheese shop, Curds & Whey, has a lot on its plate, but cheesemonger Willa Bauer relishes a challenge. There’s a float to build for the fall festival, plus the French-inspired cheese shop is playing host to celebrity vegan chef Phoebe Winston. But when photos surface that prove this vegan influencer is, in fact, a carnivore, things crumble faster than any cheese on the market: Phoebe is murdered. Willa’s employee, the affable Archie, was the last one to see Phoebe alive and the first person the police suspect. To clear his name Willa must uncover who’s been up to no gouda...
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When WWK blogger Korina Moss announced to our group that her contract had been extended for three more books, for a total of six (for now), in her Cheese Shop Mystery series, we applauded. It’s a great cozy series featuring Willa Bauer, cheesemonger and amateur sleuth. Gone For Gouda is the second book in the series, which was released yesterday by St. Martin’s.

Willa Bauer is aided and abetted in her investigations by her two shop employees, other business owners, and a friend, pitting her against the town’s police detective, who also is a widower. In Gone For Gouda, Willa appears to have not just one, but two possible romantic interests, both of which have her tongue-tied but pleased. Willa destresses by making cheese recipes and eating them. I’m a bit worried about her weight and health, but then that’s Korina’s problem.

Please give a cheer to Korina! E. B. Davis

Although the cheese shop is French inspired, the book is set during October in time for the town’s fall festival, more reminiscent of an Oktoberfest. What is the history of German Obatzda? Is it the German word for beer cheese?

It’s a classic German type of beer cheese. The dish was created during a time when cheese was quite expensive in the region, so families would look for ways to make every bit of their leftover cheese edible, thus it’s made with different types of cheeses, onions, and spices. It peaked in popularity in the 1920s when it was served for the first time by an innkeeper in Bavaria.

I was surprised that Willa carried vegan cheese in her shop. It seems like an oxymoron. What is vegan cheese made of, and doesn’t it go against Willa’s nature to sell nondairy “cheese”? She grew up on a dairy farm.

Cheese is made from animal milk and often animal rennet (an enzyme found in the lining of a cow’s or goat’s stomach), so it’s definitely not vegan. However, like many vegan foods, plant-based substitutions are made that give it a similar quality to the real thing. Vegan “cheese” uses plant-based milk, nuts, oils, and vegetable proteins. Although Willa grew up on a dairy farm and has revolved her life around cheese, she also supports any customer who may want another version of cheese that’s acceptable for their lifestyle or allergies, whether it be non-dairy or vegan. Of all people, she understands the need for cheese (in any form)!

Sponsored by a vegan cheese company, Phoebe Winston is a vegan celebrity chef doing a demonstration to support her new book at Willa’s shop. She’s also an authenticity influencer. What’s that supposed to be?

Phoebe became famous for being a cut-throat contestant on a reality TV show, but once off the show, those same terrible behaviors got her canceled. She changed her image to one of kindness (hence, becoming vegan and rescuing a dog) and resurrected her celebrity status. Feeling constricted with her kindness identity, she created a new terminology—authenticity influencer. She wanted to make it trendy to embrace who you really are, in hopes of staying on top no matter how she was perceived and becoming the next Oprah. The only trouble was, she wasn’t authentic, herself.

What are stinging nettles? If they sting, how can they be used as an ingredient?

A stinging nettle is a plant (herb) with fine hairs that cause irritation when they touch the skin. Before cooking with stinging nettles, you have to brush off the tiny needles and rinse the leaves. They’re edible without harm after that.

I don’t remember gouda as being crumbly. Is it like blue cheese? What’s the history of gouda?
What are the seven categories of gouda? How are they different?
Gouda has been produced in the Netherlands (where it’s pronounced “HOW-duh”) since the 12th century. The longer it ages (like any cheese), the firmer, darker, sharper, and more crumbly it becomes. Most of us are familiar with the young, mild form of gouda, which is why you’re surprised that the more matured versions can be crumbly. I would liken the texture to that of parmesan rather than blue cheese. The seven categories are based on how long the cheese has been aged.
Young or New Gouda: aged 4 weeks
Young Matured Gouda: 8 to 10 weeks
Matured Gouda: 16 to 18 weeks
Old Gouda: 6 months
Extra Matured Gouda: 7 to 8 months
Fully Matured or Aged Gouda: 10 to 12 months
Very Old or Very Aged Gouda: over 12 months


“The first woman in line had sky-high heels, a pencil skirt, and perfectly slicked
hair that brought to mind that iconic Robert Palmer video.”

LOL, “The Addicted to Love” video? Yes!

After Phoebe is outed as a nonvegan and is murdered, her Maltese, Buttercup, is passed around to those who can house him until another owner can be found. Willa takes a liking to him. Will she ever consider getting a pet besides her betta fish, Loretta?

I didn’t think it was fair for Willa to have a cat or dog, seeing as she can’t keep them in her shop, which is how Loretta came about. (Plus, fish don’t get enough cozy representation!) I did want an opportunity to have a furry friend in the series, so Buttercup arrives in Gone For Gouda. But, boy, when you’re writing, it’s hard keeping track of a dog in the story! I am a huge cat lover, so I do have plans to work a cat into the series in a future book. For now, Loretta rules!

Because Willa allowed her teenage assistant, Archie, to help Phoebe the day she was murdered, and Archie was the last one to leave the house according to the security cameras, he becomes a suspect. Willa must investigate to clear him and feels that his involvement was due to her actions. Willa pumps Heath, the detective, for information, but instead of emotionally venting, she’s learning to deal with him. How?

In Cheddar Off Dead, Willa had just met Detective Heath and didn’t know whether he was a good detective or if she could trust him. Now, she trusts him more and understands him better. She knows he always follow the rules, which might slow him down, but he is also a dogged detective. So instead of hiding things from him like she often did in the first investigation, she lets him in on the information she finds out. She still can’t help investigating with her friends, though. Because Willa is so close to and protective of Archie, it’s difficult for her not to be emotionally involved, and Heath is sensitive to this.

Willa decorates the outside of her shop with a straw cow she’s named Guernsey. For the fall festival parade float, she’s turning Guernsey into a scarecrow cow. How does she combine the two?

Not well, as is the running joke in the book. Willa’s first scarecrow is for the harvest festival’s scarecrow contest. Willa wants to represent Curds & Whey, so she decides to make a Guernsey cow she calls Guernsey. She does her best to shape her into a cow and uses felt to make her udder and brown and white coat. At first, Guernsey is just another craft Willa is bad at making, but the more people make fun of Guernsey, the more Willa loves her. Guernsey ends up becoming Curds & Whey’s mascot, stationed outside of the shop to welcome customers.

What is carne asada? Carnitas? Queso blanco? Pico de gallo?

Those are all delicious Mexican foods. Carne asada is a spicy, marinated skirt steak, carnitas are the Mexican version of pulled pork, and pico de gallo is a chilled topping mixture made with tomatoes, onions, and jalapenos. Willa makes queso blanco in the book, which is a melted white cheese dip. I love Mexican food, so I had to incorporate it in the series, which is why the Let’s Talk Tacos truck is a favorite takeout place in Yarrow Glen.

Is a car’s computer system hooked to the internet? If not, how would someone possibly tap into it—some computer-to-computer link? Don’t you have to actually plug into it—like at a car repair place?

No. The computer systems of cars are connected to cyberspace, so they are vulnerable to being hacked. Hackers can wirelessly send commands to the dashboard functions, steering, and brakes. According to Upstream’s Global Automotive Cybersecurity Report, in 2022, there were over 900 cars hacked, 84.5% remotely.

Is cyser another name for mead?

It’s an apple-based mead. It’s still fermented with honey, like all mead, but it’s just another variety of mead.

Given the method of murder, I can understand Willa wouldn’t take a bubble bath. But, a spa evening for Willa is to pair cranberry scones and Teahive cheese together and eat it. Hard to believe. Does she ever have a massage and/or a mani/pedi?

That’s not really Willa’s style. She has so little time to herself, she would find it a waste of time. Her idea of relaxing is cuddling (such as it is) with Loretta on the loveseat with some good cheese and Alfred Hitchcock’s Rebecca on TV.

Who put you up to the puns in your blurb?

I wish I could take credit for all the puns on the book jacket, but they are courtesy of my editor, Madeline Houpt. She is the cheese pun queen. I wish I had her talent for puns!

What’s next for Willa?

Curds of Prey, the third book in the cheese shop mystery series, will be out in March 2023. It’s available for pre-order now. Here’s what Willa’s up to:

Murder again comes to Yarrow Glen, and cheesemonger Willa Bauer must be the predator… before she becomes the prey.
Yarrow Glen's favorite cheese shop, Curds & Whey, gets to be a part of the social event of the season: Summer Harrington’s wedding. Cheesemonger Willa Bauer is going all out for the wedding shower’s cheese bar. But the eagle-eyed Harrington family is proving to be a pain in her asiago. A last-minute tasting ends in disaster when one of Willa’s potential beaus, Roman, gets in a fight with the groom. Then the shower arrives, and while there’s anything but love in the air, there is plenty of cheese. Oh, and Roman... again. The day officially ends in disaster when Willa finds the groom—who also happens to be the mayor’s nephew—in the stable, dead as a dodo. At the mayor’s request, Willa must follow the trail of cheese curds to find a killer while continuing to walk a tightrope between two of Sonoma Valley’s most powerful families.

In short: Willa is preparing to host a cookbook signing demonstration at her shop with celebrity vegan chef, Phoebe Winston. The day before photos surface showing Phoebe eating a burger and things start to crumble quicker than feta ending with her dead and 1 of Willa’s employees Archie as the prime suspect.

What I liked:
🧀Fall in a small town setting with charming characters
🧀Willa, the main character, and her sleuthing. She’s just nosey enough but still jumps to conclusions quick.
🧀Lots of clues and red-herrings to keep you guessing & invested in solving the murder along side Willa.
🧀The victim Phoebe was not the person she seems online & was unliked by many who dealt with her which led to many suspects. I loved the play of how reality influencers portray themselves versus how they actually are.
🧀Learning the origins of true Gouda cheese.

Final thoughts: This installment was better than the first and I cannot wait for book 3 now! Great small town setting, fun characters, 2 possible love interests and lots of cheese, what more could you ask for?!

Gone for Gouda is book 2 in the Cheese Shop mysteries by Korina Moss. I can’t say I was surprised when it was Phoebe that died. She was charismatic but a user. She treated people around her poorly and thought they should fawn over her and agree to her every wish. I wasn’t even surprised that her declaration of being vegan was fake.
The author does lead readers on a merry dance of red herrings and misdirection. The murderer was pretty unsuspected, at least by me.
I like Willa okay. She wasn’t quite as out there with her accusations as she was in book 1. A good number of Willa’s activities and thoughts ramp up the drama factor. I’m not really sure why detective Heath is so patient with Willa. It may play into the possible love triangle the author may have in mind for future books - Roman, Heath and Willa.
The book was good but not high on my recommendation list. I enjoyed reading a fall themed book in the fall.

Cheesemonger Willa Bauer has high hopes for her shop's latest event, but as soon as celebrity chef Phoebe Winston arrives, things start getting complicated. The chairs for the audience are wrong. The ingredients Willa purchased for the cooking demonstration are wrong. Still, Willa is hopeful that the event will bring attention and extra income to her shop -- until the guest of honor is found dead.

I enjoyed this one. The characters are fun to spend time with, the mystery was intriguing, and the setting had me wanting to put the book down just long enough to make myself a cheesy snack. One of my favorite things about cozy mysteries is the chance to step out of my own day to day life and this one definitely fit the bill.

Gone for Gouda is a delight (cheese and all)! The second entry in the series sees cheesemonger Willa Bauer grow both in her strengths in her cheese store and in her two possible romantic entanglements - more importantly, her loyalty to friends is apparent as she tries to prove the innocence of teen employee, Archie, who is the chief suspect in the murder of an alleged celebrity vegan influencer who turns out to not be what she appears. Author Korina Moss gives the readers plenty of plausible suspects, twists and turns, and wonderful recipes. A perfect fun read.

3.5. I'm a fan of food-related cozy mysteries--especially the ones set during autumn, like this one is--and Korina Moss depicts a solid sense of place in her descriptions of Yarrow Glen. I, unfortunately, did not read the first book in this series, but I still enjoyed the mystery and the side characters. The sort-of love triangle fell flat, however, and I wish I would have gotten to know Willa more; I felt like I was being kept at a distance from her in favor of the mystery and the lives of the other characters.

Ultimately, though, I would read another book in this series; it's light, fun, and creates just enough suspense to keep the story interesting.

Where are my Aurora Teagarden Hallmark movie fans because this one's for you! In the second installment of the Cheese Shop Mysteries, Willa, a cheesemonger with a cute cheese shop called Curds and Whey, is back preparing to host an event for the upcoming cookbook from vegan cookbook author/influencer Phoebe Winston. However after a horrible scandal appears in the paper the next morning Phoebe is then found dead, by Willa! The story takes place in a small town called Yarrow Glen overlooking the beautiful Sonoma Valley. It's full of small town charm and adorable and corky characters, many of whom seem to be hiding something. After one of Willa's employees appears to be the number one suspect, Willa takes the case into her own hands, much to the frustration of the local Detective.

This story is the perfect cozy fall mystery. I read it in a little over 2 days! The vibe completely reminded me of Aurora Teagarden and the murders she always seems to get wrapped up in and then tries to solve herself. I wasn't able to read the first book, Cheddar Off Dead, before getting my hands on this one but I think I did just fine keeping up and learning who all the main characters were. If you like cozy mysteries or are into the Hallmark style books/movies I think you'll love this latest book from Korina Moss. Thank you Minotaur Books, St. Martin's Press and NetGalley for the gifted ebook in exchange for an honest review.

How about some cozy mystery love on a Saturday? 😍 I loooove finding a new series to get drawn into! Gone for Gouda is book 2 in @korinamossauthor's Cheese Shop Mystery series. I was approved for Gone for Gouda on Netgalley but I decided to grab Cheddar Off Dead to start with book 1 in the series. I'm so glad I did! There were lots of ins and outs in the mystery in this book and I enjoyed the ride the entire way. Willa is a fun main character to follow and I'm loving the two potential & complicated love interests. Go ahead and sign me up for book 3- I definitely need more!!

Gone for Gouda is out Tuesday, September 27!! Thank you Minotaur and Netgalley for my advanced review copy!

It is really rare that an mystery author can "get me" and I completely celebrate when it does happen. And folks, I am celebrating today as this author totally and completely "got me". "WHAT does that mean?" you ask - let me tell you; it means that the author wrote such a clever mystery with such a convincing red herring, that I totally dismissed my initial idea of who the killer was and jumped into where she was leading her readers hook, line, and sinker. And all I could think when I was close to the reveal was, "Well done Korina, well. freaking. done."

I also will say that the one thing I didn't love about book 1 was totally resolved in this book - I hate when the MC doesn't do their job and then complain about how afraid their business might go under and that happened in book 1 and it is what kept the book from being 5 stars for me. In this book, Willa puts her job first and only sleuths on the days the shop is closed or at night and it made for a better book. Because it shows that her job and her beloved cheese shop [and let's just take a moment to talk about HOW great it would be to be around cheese all. day. long. Mmmmm] are more important [or at least just as important as ] sleuthing and butting into the police's jobs. ;-)

Willa, Archie, Mrs. Schultz and Baz are a great core group of characters and I love how much they all love and respect each other and how well they work together. Add in the surround characters and you have a really great group of people and add in that these books are smartly written and full of fun as well as murder and mayhem and you have a really great story. And what a story it was!! A lying liar meet a sticky end and Archie is under suspicion and the team gathers together to try and clear his name. The twists and turns will keep you guessing [even a long time mystery reader like I am] until the end [this was a great reveal too] and will make you wish the next one was ready to be read! ;-)

I am so glad I found this series and really am looking forward to the next one!!

Thank you to NetGalley, Korina Moss, and St. Martin's Press for providing this ARC in exchange for an honest review.

Back w/ Willa and the gang @ Curds and Whey! This book was a great new addition to follow up book 1. In Gone for Gouda a vegan influencer is hosting an event for her new cookbook @ the cheese shop. So, when she ends up dead and Archie is the prime suspect....Willa (and Heath lol) are on the case!
Im loving this series...the characters, setting, the CHEESE!! Believe me. you are going to want to make yourself a cheese board and dive into this read!
I received an ARC of this book in exchange for an honest review. I would like to thank Netgalley, the author Korina Moss, and the publisher for this opportunity.

The lead female protagonist, Willa, runs a cheese shop in a small, quaint California town. One of her suppliers is sponsoring a demonstration with an author who went to culinary school in the town. The author is an egotistical, entitled hot shot who has mutliple men in awe of her. Willa entertains all of the author's demands in the hopes that the experience will drum up business. You'll have to read Gone for Gouda to see how plans get turned upside down.

Gone For Gouda is an excellent follow-up to the first book in this cozy mystery series, Cheddar Off Dead. Willa Bauer’s cheese shop seems to be thriving, in the small Sonoma town of Yarrow Glen. She has a big event coming up with a social media influencer who has written a vegan cookbook and her book tour is being sponsored by a company that makes the one vegan cheese that Willa carries in her shop. Unfortunately this influencer, Phoebe, turns out to be anything but pleasant and is murdered before she can do her demonstration at the shop. When Archie, the young man who helps part-time in the shop, seems to be the last person to see her alive, Willa and her friends can’t help but try to clear his name by investigating.

The mystery is complex and kept me guessing. The town’s returning characters are fun and diverse, with interesting back stories. I love Willa’s brotherly relationship with her next-door neighbor Baz. There are two potential love interests for Willa, as well. In addition, we get to learn something about cheese. In this case, I learned that different types of gouda are wrapped in different color wax! Who knew?

Thank you to NetGalley and St. Martin’s Press for the opportunity to read an advance readers copy of this book. All opinions are my own.

I love cheese, and I love cozy mysteries, and I'm really enjoying this new series featuring a northern CA cheese shop and its owner, Willa Bauer. The death of a hot and cold influencer is the mystery to be solved in this one, and with the way she treated people in life, there are unsurprisingly plenty of suspects to investigate. There's so much great development of the Yarrow Glen community and characters in this, and readers who also love cheese will want to make sure there's plenty on hand for the descriptions of the cheeses Willa has in her shop and cooks with. This is a newer series I'm happy to recommend.

Cheesemaker Willa Bauer owns a Northern California cheese shop called Curds and Whey. Although celebrity vegan chef Phoebe Winston is very demanding, Willa is happy to be hosting the young woman's cookbook signing for the publicity it will bring to the shop. It seems to be working because there are lines of people waiting to see the chef and cookbook author, but Phoebe is a no-show. Willa later learns Phoebe was found murdered in the bathtub of her rental house and one of Willa's employees is the prime suspect, so Willa is determined to prove his innocence.

This is the second book in the Cheese Shop Mystery series. As Willa starts investigating, she learns there are several people who may have wanted Phoebe dead. I like that this gives Willa plenty of suspects to investigate. Her tendency to jump to conclusions each time she finds another possible suspect gets a little frustrating, though. Overall, the investigation is interesting and I was surprised by the ending which is a plus.

The romance aspect has been a weak part of this series for me, but has a lot of potential. For now, the mystery and the setting make up for it. I enjoy the series and will definitely be on the lookout for the next in this series when it comes out.

I received an advance copy of this ebook at no cost from NetGalley through the courtesy of St. Martin's. However, my review is voluntary and unbiased.

Thank you NetGalley, Korina Moss and St. Martin's Press for the ARC of Gone For Gouda. This is my personal review.
This is the second book in the Cheese Shop Mystery series.
Anytime you can mix cheese and murder in a book it has to be good.
This book has Willa Bauer inviting a vegan influencer to the cheese shop she has high hopes things will go well but little did she know the influencer is murdered and one of her employees is the main suspect.
Willa soon finds out that finding the murderer is not going to be as easy and quick as she thought when she finds out there are a lot of people who want Phoebe dead.
There are twists and turns that kept me hooked to the very last word.
I am looking forward to the next book in the series.

Yarrow Glen’s newest cheese shop, Curds & Whey, has a lot on its plate, but cheesemonger Willa Bauer relishes a challenge. There’s a float to build for the fall festival, plus the French-inspired cheese shop is playing host to celebrity vegan chef Phoebe Winston. But when photos surface that prove this vegan influencer is, in fact, a carnivore, things crumble faster than any cheese on the market: Phoebe is murdered. Willa’s employee, the affable Archie, was the last one to see Phoebe alive and the first person the police suspect. To clear his name Willa must uncover who’s been up to no gouda..

Floats and Vegan cooking at the shop make for a busy time for Willa, but the show can't go on when the celebrity chef is killed with incriminating evidence of a life filled with lies leaked the morning after... Willa knows her employee Archie isn't guilty, but can she prove it before he is arrested?

Loved reading this book and author. If you haven't read it yet I highly recommend her and her books Books with cheese always makes me very happy and hungry

This is the second in a series, but I don’t feel like I’ve missed anything by not having read the first one. The author throws in enough clues for me to figure out who the people are, how they fit in together.

Willa owns a small cheese shop called “Curds and Whey” in the Northern California town of Yarrow Glen. I learned a lot about cheese in this book, especially Gouda cheese—enough that I was able to beat an expert to answer a trivia question the other day. I loved that! And the author finishes up the story with cheese-filled recipes at the end.

Willa is hosting celebrity chef Phoebe Winston in a “Cook and Book” demonstration in her cheese shop. Willa’s excited about the event until she actually meets Phoebe—a self-absorbed diva who expects everyone to do what she wants without question and without a thought as to how it might affect the other person.

Then pictures of vegan-proclaimed Phoebe scarfing down ribs appear in the papers and she is a no-show at the event. Then Willa finds out Phoebe has been murdered and everything goes downhill. One of Willa’s employees is suspected of the act and she goes into sleuth mode.

There is a touch of romance between Willa and Roman, the man who owns a meadery across the street, but also sparks between Willa and the lead detective Heath. A triangle that is so common to cozies.

The ending is well-done and satisfying and there are a couple threads left dangling that you know are going to show up in the next books in the series.

Recommendation: Definitely recommended. Have a plate of your favorite cheese selections — and maybe a glass of mead — while you read. Or maybe try a new one that you read about here.

Disclaimer: Thanks to the publisher and Netgalley for providing this ARC. I received a final and/or advanced reader copy of this book with the hope that I will leave my unbiased opinion. I was not required to leave a review, positive or otherwise, and my opinions are just that… My Opinions. I am posting this in accordance with the Federal Trade Commission’s 16 CFR, Part 255: “Guides Concerning the Use of Endorsements and Testimonials in Advertising”

There's something so exciting about catching celebrities behaving badly and having the murder be based on this was entertaining. Phoebe was easy to hate and her murder provided a wide variety of suspects, who again, Willa, one by one, accuses of murder; her investigating style needs a little work. I enjoy her friendships with Baz and her employees and the setting of the small town of Yarrow Glen is quaint. I will continue with the series but there's just something about it that doesn't work for me.